tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post5465101083533161781..comments2023-12-08T00:28:13.416-08:00Comments on Better Holmes & Gardens: Some Thoughts on Setting: The Diogenes Clubgoddessinsepiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14216346071787396697noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-11697623517606532282011-06-15T05:36:51.482-07:002011-06-15T05:36:51.482-07:00@Lucy: There are several key differences between S...@Lucy: There are several key differences between Sherlock and his older brother, and I think how each brother approaches social interaction is a crucial one. Sherlock may have an abbreviated use for humanity and their limited powers, but he does have a use for them. He may not need an audience all the time, but he does need one. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine Mycroft living separate from society for the rest of his days, and being perfectly content in his isolation. On the other hand, even when Sherlock is in retirement, he can't quite stay away from people.<br /><br />And what a great book "Fictional Places 100" would make! And what fun to preface it under traveling in a computer simulation, or "holodeck." I'd be first in line for a copy. :) Thank you for commenting, as always, Lucy!goddessinsepiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216346071787396697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-13100666861494099282011-06-06T13:36:29.156-07:002011-06-06T13:36:29.156-07:00I especially like the point implied in your discus...I especially like the point implied in your discussion that Mycroft shows us what Sherlock might have been if his bent toward misanthropy did not admit of activity and social interaction. Ironically, it adds a dimension of warmth to Sherlock's character, since he takes such a determined interest in people and an active part in resolving their "little problems."<br /><br />Concerning the yearning to visit the fictional club, mentioned by @Virtualight, and seconded by you, I agree that one could easily compile a list, a "Fictional Places 100" perhaps, full of satisfying or intriguing spots for a virtual vacation! Holodeck, start program, please!Lucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00187517182328614133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-14993464000726232912011-06-05T07:16:40.534-07:002011-06-05T07:16:40.534-07:00@Live Out Loud: Thank you very much! Doyle used My...@Live Out Loud: Thank you very much! Doyle used Mycroft Holmes so sparingly in the stories that it left a lot of room for interpretation. On the one hand, he has a specific routine from which he's reluctant to deviate (BRUC), but on the other hand, he's willing to disguise himself and drive a cab when his brother's life his on the line, as we see in FINA. That's a lot of middle ground for writers to work with!goddessinsepiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216346071787396697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-60885517964856713152011-06-04T19:48:47.952-07:002011-06-04T19:48:47.952-07:00This Post is awesome. Well thought out and it make...This Post is awesome. Well thought out and it makes me yearn for that quiet space. To be with people yet sort of protected from having to actually interact!<br /><br />And I do love the relationship between the brothers and how different pastiches, tv shows and movies have expressed it.Jennifer Oberthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008884547045029128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-86846011699931119442011-06-04T14:19:23.850-07:002011-06-04T14:19:23.850-07:00@Alistair: Thank you very much! That means a great...@Alistair: Thank you very much! That means a great deal coming from you! :-)<br /><br />@Virtualight: I could not agree more. There's a very long list of fictional places that would make the world a little nicer if they were real. And you also got me thinking...with nearly 10,000 Sherlock Holmes pastiches out there (and the list growing everyday), someone must have taken on "Holmes meets Jeeves," and I need to find it! Thank you!<br /><br />@Marian: You are quite right. There is a distinct difference between Mycroft’s and Sherlock’s attitudes on social interaction. Sherlock seems to have no use for people until he needs an audience (but he *will* always need one, eventually). And Mycroft seems to have very little use for humanity, ever, under any circumstance. I’m reminded of the end of Granada’s version of GREE, when Mycroft tells Sherlock that the only path he intends to take is “…the door to the Diogenes Club, which I shall close behind me!” Thanks for commenting!<br /><br />@Steve: Thank you for your very kind comment! What a great analogy—very thought-provoking! I’m sure you’re familiar with Kim Newman’s books about the Diogenes Club? And I’ve always liked Alan Moore’s take on Mycroft and the Diogenes, in “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen” graphic novels. I think it’s only logical to wonder if a silent façade as something brewing under the surface!goddessinsepiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216346071787396697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-70345063654726974292011-06-04T11:25:12.121-07:002011-06-04T11:25:12.121-07:00This is a wonderful post. Thank you. I have always...This is a wonderful post. Thank you. I have always thought most highly of Mycroft and I didn't quite believe Watson's reports. Thus I sought an alternate explanation, because I have always thought something more was going on in the Diogenes club than met Watson's eye.<br /><br />For instance, if you were to wander around inside NSA without a Top Secret clearance people would act strangely even if you had legitimate business there.Steve Polinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06095291939072131815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-51864215149448803202011-06-04T09:17:14.649-07:002011-06-04T09:17:14.649-07:00Great post (and I, too, wish there were a Diogenes...Great post (and I, too, wish there were a Diogenes Club to join). There's certainly a difference between the aloofness of Mycroft and the unsociable personality of Holmes. Mycroft really is the one who wouldn't have any close friends, whereas Holmes, for all his eccentricities, at least likes to lecture on his work, to Watson.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01693636355638596302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-59783477891080901782011-06-03T15:21:57.013-07:002011-06-03T15:21:57.013-07:00Agreed, another excellent post and it does make me...Agreed, another excellent post and it does make me wish the Diogenes Club existed. If only the Junior Ganymede and Drones clubs could also exist somewhere. The world would probably be a nicer place. And just think what Holmes could do with the Junior Ganymede club book.virtualighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16544118423865170131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756608595761528683.post-60613646921997663602011-06-03T09:55:05.391-07:002011-06-03T09:55:05.391-07:00Top quality post as always.Top quality post as always.Alistair Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199962410016780822noreply@blogger.com